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Regular 401k vs regular IRA

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我有个老的 401k plan, 要换 plan administrator (custodian), 我离开这家公司有13.5 年了,至少已经换过一次administrator – 昨天 (11/27/2025) 我干脆把它 roll over to IRA 了。*Update 12-01-2025, the money is already in my IRA account. I think partially because it’s inside the same administrator, the speed of moving is quite fast (one or two business days). I initiated on the Thanksgiving day, and the money arrived on Cyber Monday.

An old 401k account notified me recently they are going to change the plan administrator (again), and this is at least the second time they are making a change, and this time around I decided to roll over to my regular IRA instead of following/sticking with them.

Below is the Google search results comparing rollover to IRA or to new employer’s 401k plan. I copied the AI Overview below.

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Rolling over an old 401(k) to an IRA generally provides more investment choices and potentially lower fees, while rolling it into a new employer’s 401(k) is often simpler and consolidates accounts. The best option depends on your priorities, such as investment control versus administrative convenience, so compare the investment options and fees of both your new 401(k) plan and potential IRAs before deciding.

Roll over to an IRA

  • Pros:
    • Greater investment options: IRAs offer a much wider variety of investments, including stocks, bonds, ETFs, and REITs.
    • Potentially lower fees: You can often find an IRA with lower fees by choosing a low-cost brokerage.
    • Flexibility: You can manage your retirement savings separately from your current job.
  • Cons:
    • Potential for more complex management: Managing separate accounts can be more complicated.
    • Fewer creditor protections: IRA protections against creditors can vary by state and may be less robust than those for 401(k)s.
    • No loan options: You cannot take out a loan from an IRA, unlike a 401(k). 

Roll over to a new employer’s 401(k) 

  • Pros:
    • Simplicity: Consolidating your retirement funds into one account is often the easiest administrative option.
  • Cons:
    • Limited investment options: Your new employer’s plan may have a limited selection of investments.
    • Potentially higher fees: The new plan’s fees may be higher than those of an IRA.
    • Less control: Your new employer has control over the plan, including its features and fees. 

Other options 

  • Leave the money in the old plan: You can keep the money in your former employer’s 401(k) as long as the balance is over a certain threshold (typically $5,000). This is a good option if you are happy with the old plan’s performance and fees. (My comments: this is not an option sometimes. Larger employers usually allow this, but smaller employers usually don’t)
  • Cash out: While technically an option, cashing out your 401(k) is generally not recommended as it will result in immediate taxes and potential penalties, and you will lose tax-advantaged growth. 

How to decide

  • Compare your new 401(k) plan with potential IRAs. Look at the investment options, fees, and performance history of each.
  • Consider your retirement goals. If you want a wide range of investment options and control, an IRA may be better. If you prefer simplicity and easy administration, a new 401(k) might be suitable.
  • Consult a financial advisor. For personalized advice based on your specific financial situation, consult a financial advisor. 

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Again, IRA offers more investment choices (stocks, could be a double edge sword 🗡️), and consolidation of the accounts.

Talking about double edge sword。大概也是2011年到2014年之间,我把两个我做contractor (合同工)时候的小401k都roll over 到我的IRA里去了。当时里面总共大概有三万块钱:结果我炒股,把它变成了一万五还是一万二 :-(。大概到2019年我才回本:考虑通胀和机会成本,实际上还是亏的。所以说这是双刃剑 🙂

IRA 跟 401k 还有两个细微的区别:401k 是可以跟它借钱的,比如买房的时候;另外还有一个55岁时没有early withdrawal penalty 取钱的一种选择 (rule of 55)。IRA 没有这些选择。

Also, refer to my earlier posts on this topic, if you are interested. I changed quite a few employers in last 15 years or so, thus I have this problem.

Last but not least, Thoughts on retirement and retirement accounts

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Thoughts on retirement and retirement accounts

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For example, if one can earn meaningful amount of money from the 401k (paper gain) and that amount is equal or bigger than salary, and the person is over 59 and half, can he/she consider retirement? I recall there is a YT video on this – maybe this one by Azul – Research Shows This Is The Perfect Age To Retire (this is an interesting point: see if you can retire the debt including the mortgage before retirement).

Roth Conversion

Vanguard: IRA Roth conversion

Also:

Roth 401k: Roth comparison chart (IRS)

Average Joe and Jane

CBS News Money Watch article below

More Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, putting retirement out of reach, report finds

Left behind retirement accounts? (can I have some, joking)

A new 401(k) rule is coming in 2026 for millions of high-earning Americans — what to know if you’re in this group

Btw, came across this from Medium recently: The Retirement Myth: What Most Americans Really Do After They Stop Working

I loved this comment: “No such thing when it comes to retirees. I see two groups, one that does what you said (and typically dies with as much money in accounts as when they retired) and one that get healthy and stays healthy and gets busy intentionally creating and enjoying life! From what I see it’s about a 70-30 split with 70% ding very little – but the 30% are having a great time!! You have to choose which group to be in before your health choses for you. The Lie of Later: How ‘Future Time Slack’ Is Stealing Your Retirement – now I realized this article is really appliable to everyone, both active workers and retirees.”

My own video

This morning, I also talked about aging, retirement and related topics on my morning walk via YT. Or you can watch from Bilibili (link here) if you are inside China.

PS:

(YT, audio only) Charlie Munger No. 1 investment tips for those over 50

(YT, Holy Schmidt!) 6 SECRETS Retirees Should NEVER Disclose

I’m 81 and live in my RV for half the year. I didn’t save enough for retirement, so I stay afloat by ‘work camping’ and DoorDash driving. (I read it from Yahoo and it didn’t have paywall)

Americans are living longer, but many are making a costly mistake about old age (CBS News)

You can live healthy to 100, author says, Here’s the secret (Yahoo)

(YT) This 104 old’s life advice will blow your mind

(CNBC) This is the ‘biggest mistake’ you can make with your IRA, attorney says

(Update 11-14-2025 Yahoo Finance) Health & wealth check-up: How a financial adviser can help

(Update 11-18-2025 YT) How Do I Pay For Health Insurance if I Retire Early

(Update 12-31-2025 CNBC) Rule expands penalty-free early 401(k) withdrawals — but new use ‘might not be practical,’ advisor says. Let me quote some below:

If you reach your 65th birthday, you have about a 70% chance of needing some form of long-term care services and support, according to a 2020 estimate from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services. On average, women who require care need it longer — 3.7 years, versus 2.2 years for men. While a third of 65-year-olds will never need long-term care, 20% will end up requiring it for more than five years...

For example, the cost of a home health aide reached an annual median cost of $77,792 last year, up 3% from 2023, according to the 2024 Cost of Care survey conducted by Genworth Financial. The national annual median cost of a semiprivate room in a nursing home rose to $111,325, up 7% from 2023. For a private room, the median yearly cost climbed 9% to $127,750.

(Update 02-17-2026) You need $2 million to retire and ‘almost no one is close,’ BlackRock CEO warns, a problem that Gen X will make ‘harder and nastier’

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Thinking about opening a Roth IRA

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I think I was pretty ignorant about the Roth IRA or Roth 401k until recently years. Some friends talked about Backdoor Roth IRA a few years ago. Around the same time (Sept 2021), I noticed my employer 401 k plan has a Roth option. Before that I already worked in the USA for about 21 years: I did contribute to 401k plan earlier on and also have some traditional IRA plans (savings). In addition to those, I have HSA and 529 plan for my daughters too (both are not significant) compared to 401k and IRAs.

I am aware of some difference between the Roth IRA and traditional IRA, partially due to the widely published article about Ted Weschler, investment manager of Berkshire Hathaway, grew his personal Roth IRA many many times over a long period of time. Below is quoted from Dr. David Kass’s blog post, link above.

Weschler, extrapolating from numbers that I sent him, said that if you’d put the $70,535 that he had in his IRA at year-end 1989 into Vanguard’s S&P index fund, you’d have had more than $1.6 million as of June 30.

(The exact number, Vanguard confirmed, was $1,636,238.)

“That $1.6 million,” he says, “drives some very simple advice: start early, maximize the (employer) match, invest 100 percent in equities, and ignore all the other noise.”

A quick refresher, roth ira vs traditional ira comparison, by fidelity.

Also, NerdWallet, 401k vs IRA (both traditional and Roth) by Schwab

NerdWallet: Roth IRA Contribution and Income Limits 2023-2024

Robinhood Gold and IRA boost: I just noticed the small print (italics below)

Not a recommendation to transfer or rollover. 3% match requires Robinhood Gold (subscription fee applies). Keep Gold for 1 year and the IRA for 5 years. Other terms apply.

Also, I just saw the blow from their email:

For the 2023 tax year, you’d earn $195 on a maximum $6,500 contribution by April 15, 2024.
For the 2024 tax year, you can still earn $210 on a maximum $7,000 contribution through April 15, 2025.
Subscription fee and terms apply.

I am thinking: for most people, do what you need to do in terms of what to save, where to save, what to invest, don’t try to get the 3% match at any cost. I heard the RobinHood Gold has a cost (it’s not a high cost, but it seems to me they are trying to promoting something that may not be suitable for me).

How much does Robinhood Gold cost: let’s just say $50 per year.

PS: I think HSA again is a potential sleeper that can do quite a few things for us down the road (thinking investing in S&P 500 index fund instead of just put it in a CD or money market like fund).

Also, new 529 plan rules make it more attractive too – something I need to read and think about it more.

PS 2: Over the years, I have seen two people who are likely in their 70s worked at Panera Bread (St. Louis Bread Co. here in STL), one lady worked at the Bread Co. at Chesterfield (Olive and WoodsMill), another gentleman at the New Ballas Road (near Olive, he may still works there). And I just came across this story – So last October, at the age of 80, Murray ended her retirement and got a job giving out samples at Costco. Honestly, this is something I am trying to avoid for myself and my wife. Working for fun and working for food/medicine are two quite different things.

Sometimes I cross posting, and sometimes I posted on social media but I forgot where I exactly posted (I spent probably one hour trying to looking for this on Twitter/X), but I just found it at FB. I posted below on FB on 03-09-2016.

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So I was at Sam’s club, tasting the free salmon sample. The lady passing out the Salmon said something funny “Being a Mizzou journalist graduate, I know how to propaganda”. Something like that. It sounds like she lost Journalist job. An old couple who complimented the salmon and the lady’s cooking (there is really not too much cooking because the main task was to warm it up, I think), said their daughter who is in graphic design, lost job since last July. I know it’s probably very difficult for journalists these days amid the new media etc (traditional media lost all the Ads revenue). My previous 2 jobs were in two industries that were both seriously affected by the government polices, luckily my skill can be transferred to other industry. I believe the two people can look at other relatively stable industry as well, as their skills can also transfer: good communication, writing and graphical design skills are always in demand. This is my chicken soup of the day.

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Also, How to Convert to a Roth IRA

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My recommendations for investments in 401k

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That is the S&P 500 index funds. This is similar to Warren Buffett’s recommendation. He actually has more recommendations beyond stocks or bonds.

Anyway, I think for most people who are still in the wealth accumulation stage (I think most people before retirement is in this category), low cost stock index funds, plus some low cost specialized stock funds (value, growth, small, mid, large caps) that has a track record, are the ways to invest. I have both in my 401k accounts. And I usually look at them once a year, and do some rebalance (mostly very small adjustments) as I see fit. I do this for my HSA and 529 plan too. The latter 2 are much smaller than my 401ks. But I feel HSA is overlooked by many people and I am also aware of some new changes to the 529 plan (and they are good changes).

有朋友问我401k的投资选择:我一般推荐S&P 500 index funds. 过去十年/二十年 S&P 500 index return 有可能比历史上的9.81% 还稍高一些,应该是可以beat inflation 的。工资不一定,我2000年第一份码工工作工资是$56,000, 现在圣村entry level 的software engineer 大概给个六万或稍多一些。那时候一个新的Camry LE 大概不到两万,现在要三万。当然硅谷大厂的码工收入要高几倍:entry level 也是如此。做OpenAI 等相关热门行业的更高。

但是反过来说如果2012 年买了一万块钱的$NVDA 或者$TSLA, 我觉得我拿不到现在。买准股票和长时间一直拿在手上都不容易。

还有就是不一定非要买magnificent 7 stocks, 其它一些市值小一点股票也有长时间不错的:比如$CMG, $MA, $MCD, $MNST, $SBUX 应该还有不少beat S&P 的。当然loser 更多. On this note, we need to be careful on IPOs and SPACs. Think $BHIL.

My own stupid mistakes on my 401k and IRAs, and turnaround

At one time, probably year 2010 till 2013, I converted my 3 small 401k accounts to an IRA account at Vanguard, then I traded stupid stocks (yes they are stupid stocks looking back), such as Arch Coal (I worked for the company in 2011 and 2012), Alpha Natural Resources (also a coal company) and also “the one time smartphone wonder” Palm. Long word short, I probably lost half of the money when I did all this. Luckily I found out my stupidity and decided to change my strategy. I was able to turn around from year 2017, the pivotal point was actually in year 2015, when I started trading on the Robinhood platform. I know my favorite person or investment great Charlie Munger dislikes the Robinhood (for encouraging frequent trading, basically make it more like a lottery or gamble). But for me personally no trading fees plus some trading that has a purpose or a theme works better for me (I hold a stock from a few days to a few months on Robinhood).

So in other words, if I’ve put the money from my three small 401k accounts into $NVDA or $TSLA stocks and hold them all this time, I would be an IRA multi-millionaires. But I am just happy with my turnaround and my S&P 500 index like performance. Expectations, expectations and expectations, are the key to happiness 🙂

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Looking for a few good reviewers and bloggers for iPhone app

Reading Time: < 1 minuteI am looking for a few good reviewers and bloggers for my 1st iPhone app, myNestEgg ~ the retirement calculator. Here are a few basic requirements for the reviewer/blogger:

1) An iPhone, iPod Touch, or an iPad device with iOS 3.1.2 or above.

2) Has an iPhone app review site or a personal finance blog web site. More importantly, are willing to try out my app and write independent reviews.

How to get the app?
The app is at “Wait for review” stage. I can build ad hoc version of the app and send it to you (about 500k). Email me if you are interested. My email address is .

What you will get besides the app?
Well, I can not promise anything significant because they will affect your opinion. But I can come up with something appropriate later after seeing the review.

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Looking for a few good reviewers and bloggers for iPhone app

Reading Time: < 1 minuteI am looking for a few good reviewers and bloggers for my 1st iPhone app, myNestEgg ~ the retirement calculator. Here are a few basic requirements for the reviewer/blogger:

1) An iPhone, iPod Touch, or an iPad device with iOS 3.1.2 or above.

2) Has an iPhone app review site or a personal finance blog web site. More importantly, are willing to try out my app and write independent reviews.

How to get the app?
The app is at “Wait for review” stage. I can build ad hoc version of the app and send it to you (about 500k). Email me if you are interested. My email address is .

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Submit my 1st iPhone iOS app, wait for review

Reading Time: < 1 minuteAfter I initially upload myNestEgg (Aug 30 night), I did couple “developer reject” to add data persistence (Aug 31), and correct icon matching problem (Sept 7). It’s still in the “Wait for review” as of this writing.

Interestingly today Apple announced some change of iOS app license agreement, and put up a new App Store Review guidelines. One needs the iOS developer program to read the full content. But one can always read that from google news (I personally like what arstechnica has to say).

BTW, I found this Apple iOS App Store submission tips to be helpful. And this thread How long “waiting for review” to be fun. Per this thread, I should start working on the next app. Or start port my app to Android?

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What is American Funds and my 401k choice

Reading Time: 2 minutesIt’s 401k enrollment time, because of my recent job change. I have lived life without 401k contribution for several months now, although I tried to keep up with buying mutual fund Scottrade IRA account. But I found this IRA thing is not as easy my good old 401k account. Couple reasons:

1) Automatic payroll deduction and investment in 401k vs. manually deposit/buy fund in IRA;

2) Dollar average cost (DCA) for the investments (mutual funds) in 401k, vs. picking the best time to buy mutual fund cheap (not easy to time the market);

3) Choosing from about 10 mutual funds vs. choosing from thousands of mutual fund Scottrade offers (a daunting task, which I talked a bit in my earlier post).

Anyway, here is the new mutual funds and their respective weight I chose for my new 401k plan.

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401K, IRA, Roth IRA

Reading Time: < 1 minuteHow to deal with 401k when leaving a job?
Some options:
1) Take it out, with 10% penalty, and potential income tax later on. This is usually not recommended.

2) Rollover to an Rollover IRA; or Rollover to the new employer’s 401k.
I did this once: not because of change of job, but because of change of company ownership, I have opportunity to rollover some of the 401k money into Vanguard Rollover IRA in year 2007. That money didn’t recover to the initial value so far.

3) Leave it alone (until 59 1/2 years old).
I did this when I left my former employer in Oct. 2008 (the middle of financial crisis), it turns out to be a good move (or no-op), as the value recovered from the crisis.

Should I open a traditional IRA or Roth IRA?
Tax deduction: IRS publication here.

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Q1 2009 Results: 401k and Rollover IRA

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Old 401k (Hewitt): down 11.8%
Rollover IRA (Vanguard): down 11.78%
New 401k (Vanguard): up 133.97% (this is due to new contribution, I started new 401k in Nov 08, so there is an easy comparison here)

Noticed my portfolio balance in Vanguard is about even compared to the end of 2007, when I started the Rollover IRA. Consider this is after I made signigicant new 401k contribution since Nov 2008. So much for long term investing concept. I need to rethink how to better managing my retirement account.

S&P is down about 11.7% in this quarter.